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1. Andy White CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (6/19/2016 11:46:50 AM)
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This forum will move to the Open Polls after a few days.

It is difficult to find a first post image that isn’t prejudiced in itself, so we picked a boring one. Implied nationality, place, religion … terrorism is more than that. Let’s start in a neutral corner.

It’s sad to think terrorism is becoming the new norm, but is it? If you read history, terrorism, in its many forms, has been with us for centuries. Why is the world so angry? Can we change? How? Do we want to?

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Some points to ponder:
  • Are you more concerned about terrorism from within the U.S. or from without? That includes attacks and people who conduct them.

  • Did America bring on discontent by over-reaching? If the West pulled out of the Middle East, would terrorism go away?

  • Is terrorism about economic divide — among people and among nations? Natural resources?

  • Is terrorism about religion? Political differences?

  • How is terrorism different than war? Is it?

  • Is it more productive to fight against terrorism or seek to eliminate the cause(s)?

  • What do you think about America’s response to terrorism? Homeland Security? Militarization of local police departments and sheriffs’ offices? Intelligence gathering within the U.S.?

  • If dollars that go to fight terrorism here or abroad could be freed up, where would you use those dollars?


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2. Victor Lee
     (6/20/2016 4:07:08 AM)
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Terrorism seems to have existed only in realms with ineffective governments, incapable of the immune powers necessary to hold to a center.

When adequate policing powers do not exist within a system of support, churches, community, families, etc., leakage outside of central norms occurs and increases. It is all a matter of equilibrium between dispersive (centrifugal) and collective (centripetal) forces.

Functions dependent on a strong central government -- military system, transportation, commerce, etc. rise and fall with its ability to resist dispersive forces like terrorism.

Trade offs are universal in all aspects of human endeavor.

3. Jeffrey Boire CEOExpressSelect Member
     (6/20/2016 7:27:51 AM)
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Everything evolves, including how to conduct warfare.

Lt. Aldo Raine: Yeah, that's what we thought. We don't like that. You see, we like our Nazis in uniform. That way we can spot 'em just like that. But you take off that uniform, ain't no one ever gonna know you were a Nazi. -Inglourious Basterds

Well, they aren't wearing uniforms much these days, they have less concern for civilians - even targeting them, and have less rules and guidelines regarding the legal aspects of warfare and war crimes.

Those whom change and adapt will be successful, those who don't will die and dying for your country doesn't win wars.

4. D Robb
     (6/20/2016 7:44:53 AM)
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Terrorism is an ancient tactic used by weaker foes against a stronger adversary. In the US organized terrorism began with the French and Indian War.
The issue of what is a terrorist act and who is a terrorist depends upon the perspective of the labelers. Timothy Mcweigh killed 168 people in worst American terrorist attack on US soil until 9/11. He was an anti-government gun nut who, some say, was activated by the FBI attack on the Branch-Davidian compound.
We have had an endless number of mass shootings. Some of which have been called terrorist acts and some not. For a list you can go to: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data
The two constants in all of them has been the choice of weapons and the sex of the perpetrators. Be it an attack on a gay night club by a mentally unstable sexually confused loser American citizen or an attack on an elementary school by a mentally unstable 20-year-old American citizen an assault weapon was the weapon of choice.
Whenever possible the reasons for the terrorist acts are attributed to Radical Islam, and there is a call to waste more treasure and drop more bombs in the ME, and put US boots on the ground. The fact that that strategy has failed for over a dozen and is a major cause of the current problems is ignored. Attempting to study how domestic gun violence could be reduced in the US is, by law, banned. “Guns don’t kill people; ammunition fired by unstable males kill people.”

5. D James CEOExpressSelect Member
     (6/20/2016 9:11:45 AM)
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"...Everything evolves, including how to conduct warfare..."

Yes. But, there is one constant. The object is to kill so many of the enemy and deny the land from which they came for further mischief making that they are motivated to end the conflict and make peace.

Period.

Good post Sir.

6. Jeffrey Boire CEOExpressSelect Member
     (6/20/2016 9:23:27 AM)
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Best to you.

7. D Robb
     (6/20/2016 9:47:58 AM)
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The NYT has addressed the problem in an editorial which I've taken excerpts from: Heading Off the Next Extremist
By THE EDITORIAL BOARDJUNE 18, 2016

Though the motives of Omar Mateen may never fully be known, the massacre he committed in Orlando has raised an urgent question. How does a democratic society counter self-radicalization and prevent domestic attacks by those who have absorbed the call of terrorist groups to kill innocent civilians?

The United States is not alone in struggling to find an answer that will keep its people safe, thwart extremists and still preserve basic liberties, including freedom of speech, assembly and movement. France and indeed much of Europe are engaged in the same debate, for which there is no easy solution.

There is simply no way to monitor all the phone calls, social media postings, emails and other methods that might be used by extremists to reach those susceptible to their propaganda. Even if there were, doing that would transform an open society into one in which government monitoring is pervasive.

So what can be done? The Obama administration has begun to take some important steps, including revamping the State Department’s effort to counter the Islamic State’s very successful messaging on social media, which drew thousands of mostly European youths to the battlefield. The plan is to put more money into the program, train more staff members and more precisely tailor messages to specific populations.

In 2014, as the terrorist threat evolved from Al Qaeda’s large-scale attacks to a more diffuse network looking for soft targets, the administration began reaching out to local communities that were already trying to confront the problem of young people attracted to violent extremism. Minneapolis, Boston and Los Angeles were chosen by the Justice Department for pilot programs that worked with local civic groups and leaders.

Minneapolis has been a particularly difficult challenge: It has the country’s largest Somali immigrant population, and more of its young people have left to fight with extremist groups than any other city’s. Federal, local and corporate money has financed initiatives there, including mentoring programs for Somali youths with access to employment resources. A soccer league and a special nonprofit organization were established to forge connections among community-based groups, schools and public agencies. And imams are being urged by federal prosecutors to leave their mosques and engage young people in less formal venues.

One complication to carrying out these strategies is the Justice Department’s central role, which has raised suspicions about whether such efforts are aimed more at gathering intelligence than at providing real assistance. Experts say that is why community leaders must be at the forefront of all such initiatives.

Identifying youths at risk for self-radicalization and turning them away from terrorist recruitment won’t be easy, quick or cheap, but the country has to make this a priority.

8. D Robb
     (6/20/2016 10:02:41 AM)
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War journalist Sebastian Junger has a proposal that might help bridge the widening gap between red and blue states and political parties, and lead to more shared sacrifice among our youth. Junger told Military.com in an interview this month that one possible way to build a more cohesive society might be to create a different kind of draft: one in which some form of national service is mandatory for all eligible citizens, but the military is only one of several service choices, along with options like the Peace Corps and urban improvement projects.
"I think it's a shame that the only way to serve your country is with a gun," Junger said. "I think mandatory national service would throw every component of society into a pot together and stir it up, black, white, poor … everybody goes in there. And it would give young people a very valuable lesson that they're actually part of this incredible experiment."

9. Victor Lee
     (6/20/2016 10:17:20 AM)
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Terrorism is just another cost of doing business to those terrorized. To tell you the truth -- as I see it, -- who cares? Except the shaking, snivelling cowards of women and men who want to engage their delusions undisturbed.

War never ends. Peace is an illusion, like mom and dad footing all bills forever.

"Death in time comes to all men." Patton

Except that virtually all men trust that they will not die.

"Everybody has got to die, but I have always believed an exception would be made in my case." Wm. Saroyan

Overwhelmingly, most people believe the same. Therein lies the power of terrorism: It jars the very foundation stones of our lying existences.

There is no peace; there is only perpetual war. Death always walks with us hand in hand. We just pretend it's not there. The water is safe; there are no crocs.


"Ignorance is bliss."

One needs Truth and the courage to face it squarely.

Remember that politicians manage your delusions against you. Enjoy the Truth.

10. B Hoskins CEOExpressSelect Member
     (6/20/2016 10:31:14 AM)
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Israel has grown accustomed to dealing with terrorism. They have not won the 'war.' Yet, they have adapted and they work hard to keep it from becoming a larger impact. Still, they face it in their own yard every day.

The same enemy that hates Israel hates us too. They have entered our yard. We must adapt and deal with it as aggressively as we are able; like Israel. As long as we remain allies with Israel, we will face the same enemy. I'm not for abandoning Israel either.

Terrorism is like dealing with cockroaches or bagworms. You can spray and get rid of this wave, but keeping them out forever is an endless struggle. And, if you don't stay on top of it, the damage those bugs can do is pretty extensive!

I don't see winning the war on terrorism; but that said, I don't see succumbing as an acceptable option. Cut off the snake's head, and maybe ten more grow back. OK. Then cut off as many snake's heads as you can identify, and as quickly as possible.
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