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What do you think is more important to fix? Crumbling US Infrastructure or a Wall on the Mexican border?

Crumbling infrastructure
A wall on the Mexican border
Something else — what?

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1. Patricia Pomerleau CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (5/12/2018 11:18:19 AM)
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Too many needs and not enough money--the never ending dilemma. So, when Trump was campaigning, he kept talking about our "crumbling infrastructure" and sounded like he was going to start another WPA like Roosevelt. You hear nothing but crickets now. "Great roads!" He also talk a lot about "the wall", which, although it gets a lot of talk, nothing much has happened and few dollars allocated. And, it was supposed to be paid for by Mexico, remember? Little to nothing has been done on either front.

In 2017, Trump is proposed immediate budget cuts of $18 billion from programs like medical research, infrastructure and community grants so U.S. taxpayers, not Mexico, can cover the down payment on the border wall.

So, iif you had to choose one or the other and if you were in charge of allotting the money, where would your money go? If both, how would you pay for them?

  • Crumbling Infrastructure
  • A border wall.
  • Something else

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2. R. Fahrbach
     (5/12/2018 11:46:51 AM)
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es do the wall. Then we can take all the money we spend on the next twenty years of prevented intrusions and pave our streets with gold.

3. D Robb
     (5/12/2018 11:50:01 AM)
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This is a no brainer. Sixty-one percent of Americans oppose “building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border only 36 percent favor it. The reality is that most illegal immigration occurs when immigrants come in legally through our airports and ports, and then overstay their visas. The wall is a total waste of money. Rebuilding our infrastructure will not only Improve our national security (our electric grid is dangerously fragile), but will provide jobs and boost the economy.

4. Fred Herera
     (5/12/2018 12:11:07 PM)
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The wall - with coiled razor wire at the to,
ending the immigration visa lottery system,
Ending no chain migration,
starting only merit base legal immigration,
No birth rights for non citizens of USA

5. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (5/12/2018 12:21:47 PM)
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Well, this time I voted "Something Else" (as usual) but it's because I really think Infrastructure is the right choice but w/ some added reasoning as follows ...

Yes, Infrastructure is where I'd SPEND the money, but I'd GET the money as follows ...

Pass a Constitutional Amendment(s) consisting of the combination of:
  • Repeal of the XVI Amendment;
  • Passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment Requiring Ongoing SIMULTANEOUS Allocation of Requisite Funds;
  • Abolishment of ALL Write-Offs, Loopholes, Exemptions, Carve-Outs, etc. for Escaping the Consumption Tax Stipulated Below;
  • Passage of a Consumption Tax which was legislatively required to be adjusted by Congress EVERY TIME they passed ANY Spending Measure to cover said expenditure IN FULL.
  • Constitutionally Specified Times When Government Was Allowed to Exceed the Balanced Budget (i.e. Exception List) and Specifications For Repayment including:
  • 1) Congressionally Declared Times of War;
  • 2) Presidentially Declared National Emergencies;
  • 3) Constitutionally Specified Method for Modification of Balanced Budget Exception List;
  • 4) Specified Methods and Timeframes for Repayment of Budgetary Overages.

Message edited by user at 5/12/2018 12:44:38 PM

6. M Bathurst
     (5/12/2018 1:55:37 PM)
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These are not mutually exclusive projects to be undertaken.

Also, the general statement "crumbling US infrastructure" is too simplistic. Within this category of projects are many different types which should have different priorities.

7. Patricia Pomerleau CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (5/12/2018 1:58:59 PM)
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Regarding the "Wall"

Isn't Trump applying mid 20th century wall construction ideas in a 21st century world? He's a "builder", so he's stuck in bricks. The fact that there were voters stupid enough to believe the puffery of "and Mexico will pay for it" is sort of terrifying. No wonder the Russians has such a walk in the park pushing brains around.

I know there are some luddites in this forum, but think about it for a minute.

Russia can get people elected in this country by bending the minds of Americans, but we still want billions in bricks to keep humans from crossing into the US.

Think about it.

Clinton and Obama did MUCH more to decrease illegal immigration than Trump--they just didn't bluster about it.

Illegal immigration has PLUMMETED, even with all those "holes" in the wall. That wall is making people look like they are scared of a "fake news" boogie may under their beds.

Under the Clinton and Obama administrations, illegal immigration dramatically decreased. We don't need a wall, we need better brains and ideas in Washington.

So, yeah, you can all take a moment and thank Obama : )

8. D Robb
     (5/12/2018 2:13:54 PM)
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Those of us that served in Europe during the 70’s and 80’s are very familiar with the type of wall you describe. There was an ugly wall built across Europe and another around West Berlin. Both were monstrosities, loudly proclaiming the weakness of the governments cowering behind them. They were built to keep an enslaved people in, and they didn’t work.
Perhaps the wall you describe expresses your view of America, but it doesn’t express mine. My America was, until this president assumed office, a shining city on a hill, a beacon of hope of freedom. It will be again, and we don’t need to waste billions building a wall that is not needed, will not work, and will be torn down when bigotry, racism, hatred, and division are banished from the White House.

9. T Cavanagh CEOExpressSelect Member
     (5/12/2018 2:16:18 PM)
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The word infrastructure is a very broad term.

Transportation infrastructure, interstate, international or local?

Pipelines and electric grid? Internet bandwidth?

Not sure what it means. Most people can only relate to their own commute.

Newark Airport is transforming, a $2.3 billion project, the funding is a combined public private, United Airlines has already spent about $400 million

As our last President found out the hard way there are no projects to simply dump money into and get started. There are years and years of studies, authoritative agencies, and then there public backlash.

No one knows that more than this President.

Here in NE, which is staved for natural gas we can’t even expand a gas transmission line, the Algonquin without public out cry, all in the name of fracked gas. Even though the emissions of greenhouse gases from a natural gas generation plant is less than half of a same kilowatt coal fired plant.

Build the wall. It will save billions in costs attributed to illegal immigration. As President Clinton warned Congress in ‘98 it’s unsustainable. And it’s the gift that keeps on giving, a permanent solution to a troubling problem.

The Leftists won’t like that. They want an open border, anyone who thinks otherwise is labeled as a “racists”.

16 border barriers or walls have been constructed worldwide in the past few years, another 14 are under construction, all for the same purpose.

Any Leftist who claims these barriers are ineffective is glossing it over

10. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (5/12/2018 2:16:31 PM)
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RE: Trump being Trump (ahem, Lil' Donnie Draft Dodger)

His main problem is that he's got such a HUGE Inferiority Complex.
  • That's why he's so long-winded when he's talking about himself;
  • That's why he repeats himself so much;
  • That's why he can't stand it when one of his "underlings" gets more Press than he does (and ultimately THEY end up paying for it);
  • That's why he lies so much - because he can't stand the bad press so he attempts to change the narrative even though it ends up being a Fake News Narrative; and
  • The list goes on ...

The problem (for him anyway) is that he's got such a HUGE Inferiority Complex because he IS so Inferior. IOW, he just can't help Himself or It.
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