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Should local governments have the authority to choose who lives in their midst?

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1. Patricia Pomerleau CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (4/20/2019 7:54:43 PM)
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In a not unfamiliar case, a convicted killer serves his or her sentence and is released. Released with no parole, with only one string still attached.

After presumably years in prison, release generally is to a half-way house so the now free man or woman can re-learn society, practice living skills, and perhaps even become productive again.

But what happens when the crime — now 'paid for' — was so heinous that no one wants the criminal in their midst — no matter what? That's what's facing the residents and city government of Aurora, Illinois, a western suburb of Chicago. From the NYT, excerpts:

The most widely feared person in Aurora lives in a brick building on New York Street. He attends chapel eight times a week, passes his days sorting clothes in a thrift shop warehouse, and never leaves the property of the Christian ministry that houses him.

He is Thomas Kokoraleis: a convicted murderer, a member of the notorious 'Ripper Crew' and, as of last month, a free man.

But even after serving more than three decades in prison, Mr. Kokoraleis remains a pariah. The mayor of Aurora, the second-largest city in Illinois, noted his arrival with a statement calling for him to leave. Protesters have marched outside his new home in Aurora’s downtown. An online petition demanded that Mr. Kokoraleis move elsewhere.

The arrival of Mr. Kokoraleis has raised questions about what authority, if any, local governments have to choose who lives in their midst. It has shown the complications of releasing prisoners at a time when there is a bipartisan push to reduce the country’s inmate population. And it has prompted an uncomfortable question: If not Aurora, and if not prison, where exactly is Mr. Kokoraleis to live?
NYT: http://snips.ly/9D335C

Legally, Mr. K. can live anywhere. Practically, should he be able to?
  • He served his sentence, and the only string still attached is he must register with 'local authorities.' Is that enough?

  • Do victim's rights extend forever in space and time? Should Mr. K. be able to reside near those affected by his crimes?

  • Many prisoners turn to religion while in prison. Should churches and synagogues and mosques be the logical next links in the redemption and forgiveness process?

  • How should such decisions be made? By statute or by a vote of a town's citizens?

  • If not Mr. K's choice — Aurora — where?


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2. D Robb
     (6/11/2019 7:05:02 AM)
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Well, Patricia you have really done it this time. You have created a question that would stump King Solomon.
The NIMBY phenomena are something that manifests itself over multiple issues. Locally funded schools combined with real estate redlining are probably the most obvious – except for Gated Communities.
When you are part of a community you get privileges, but you also have responsibilities. NIMBYs try to avoid that part or the deal. We used to have national service, which many people they were too good to do – besides, it could get you killed or maimed.
I answered Yes. If you enjoy the privileges you have to put your man pants on and endure the responsibilities.

3. Gary Patishnock CEOExpressSelect Member
     (6/11/2019 8:30:57 AM)
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"It's a free country." If one is here legally, why not?"

4. D Robb
     (6/11/2019 9:27:44 AM)
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So you think Muslims should be able to build Mosques wherever?

5. Michael O'Neill
     (6/11/2019 9:40:20 AM)
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I should be able to rent a house to whomever I want. If the city doesn't like it, too bad.

6. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (6/11/2019 10:09:11 AM)
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Get a grip DRobb ...

The question itself does NOT say a damn thing about "building ANY type of building in this place or that place".

It asks a question about where a PERSON may or may not be allowed to live and whether or not local governments should have any say over that.

7. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (6/11/2019 10:18:38 AM)
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First off, I agree w/ Gary.

Secondly, IF as in this case the "person in question" is an ex-convict, provided they comply w/ all the provisions of their release as set forth by the releasing agency, YES!, they should be allowed to live wherever they want to w/o being unduly harassed by EITHER the local or state government OR the country's citizenry.

Reintegration back into society is difficult enough w/o undue harassment from other agencies, organizations or citizens.

Last time I looked this was still a free country (and I hope it stays that way) so if you can't live by the laws of this country then YOU (whomever you may be) need to go somewhere else.

8. D Robb
     (6/11/2019 10:21:05 AM)
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Actually, it's about government involvement in the lives of individuals. If you have nothing you can add to the discussion you would be better not posting.

9. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (6/11/2019 10:27:10 AM)
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"Former White House Chief of Staff Is Now a Navy Ensign"


https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/06/10/former-white-house-chief-staff-now-navy-ensign.html?ESRC=eb_190611.nl


Mother Machree!! Life outside of the Washington DC "drain circle, nay drain whirlpool" must be pretty rough for ex-WH aides that they need to join the USN (@ the ripe old age of 47) in order to make a living.

10. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (6/11/2019 10:29:30 AM)
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You wish! But not to worry, I'll be here the next time I want to make a comment, regardless of what you think of it.
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