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How do you think the economy can be saved from Coronavirus?

Adherence to CDC guidelines and careful reopening
Letting states do what they think is best for their state regardless of CDC guidelines
It's more complicated



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1. Patricia Pomerleau CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (7/2/2020 8:40:06 PM)
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President Trump continues to ignore the staggering growth of Coronavirus over the last two weeks and has encourage behavior that leads to the spread of the virus--no masks, no social distancing. The economic damage of the virus is staggering and having to shut states down multiple times is proving even more damaging. It is reminiscent of a 1628 proverb: "If wishes were horses than beggars would ride."

This week, Texas and Florida and Arizona seem to have come to the awareness that the virus is a real threat and have begun to shut down in an attempt to keep from being overwhelmed by the virus. Texas issued very strict rules including statewide requirement of masks in any community with over 20 cases of the virus. Groups are now limited to a maximum of 10. Arizona has gone back into shutdown mode. Florida is still in denial even though their new daily cases exceed that of the entire of the European Union--ten times the population.

Florida, Texas and Arizona are emerging as the country’s latest epicenters after reporting record numbers of new infections for weeks in a row. Positivity rates and hospitalizations have also spiked--despite the administration trying to pin the increased numbers on increased testing alone.

Five months after the novel coronavirus was first detected in the United States, the last two week record surge in new cases is the clearest sign yet of the country’s historic failure to control the virus — exposing a crisis in governance extending from the Oval Office to state capitals to city councils.

South Korea, albeit a smaller country, never had a shutdown, but rather focused on testing, testing, testing. They have a total of 300 deaths and little negative economic impact. The death rate extrapolated to the US would be a total of less than 3000 rather than the 130,000 we have today. What did they do right and the US do wrong? It's a lesson in health focus vs politics over health. The EU controlled the virus and are now getting back to normal. They appropriately have banned travel from the US.

Some states have followed the science and done well with leveling the virus and reopening--namely NY, Mass, Alaska, Hawaii, and a handful of others. Other states have had significant relapses--Florida, Texas, Arizona and are shutting down again because they didn't follow the established guidelines.

However, we are where we are and we need to get out of this terrible mess. We all want out of this and get back to "normal". We can't all stay at home for much longer, but until there is a vaccine, there is still risk. We need to move to a "manage the virus" mode.

What do you think is the route to getting the economy back on track.

  • Sticking to the CDC guidelines
  • or continuing to let states do their own thing?
  • The US is the only developed country having dramatic growth in corona virus. Why?
  • What role should the national government take in managing and stemming the damage from the virus?
  • Should there be nationwide standards for masks and social distancing?
  • Should states that have managed the virus shut down their borders to those from states who have not?
  • How do you think the management of the coronavirus will affect the 2020 election?


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2. B Noles
     (7/2/2020 10:17:08 PM)
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The many independent scientist with PhD's in Virology I follow all come to the conclusion that shutting down the economy, the wearing of mask, and and social distancing is a waste of time and largely ineffective.

Additionally, I follow a group of MD's and scientist with PhD's in Nutritional Sciences who all question why the Government Scientist don't mention doing anything to boost or strengthen one's immune system. They all agree that those with a robust and strong immune system easily survive the virus.

Further more, there is no mention of how to properly dispose of used mask. If the virus is a serious pathogen, then why not have waste hazard bins placed all around public areas so mask can be treated as hazardous waste. After all, that is what they are. Hazardous waste.

Connect the dots and it's clear this is all a fraud and a scam with the intent of negatively affecting the re-election of President Trump even going so far as to destroy the economy to achieve that end.

3. D Robb
     (7/2/2020 10:20:53 PM)
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So how do you explain the success of other countries in combating the virus by using the methods you say are ineffective?
Why does the US have the worst record of all countries in combating the Coronavirus?
The public health methods are not new. Testing and contract tracing has been used to contain and to prevent the spread of STD's, TB, and Ebola.

4. D Robb
     (7/2/2020 10:34:40 PM)
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Infectious diseases are not something new. Once Pasteur and Jenner and others figured it out, the methods to contain infectious diseases have developed over decades. Wearing masks, social distancing, contact tracing, isolation and quarantine have been used for over a hundred years to contain infectious diseases.
The US has had 4 months of experience with the Coronavirus. We know what NOT to do. We know what we need to do.
Other countries have successfully contained the disease and reopened. Unfortunately, we have a moron in the Oval Office who is only concerned with being reelected and is willing to sacrifice 200,000 or more Americans to that goal.

5. B Noles
     (7/2/2020 10:35:45 PM)
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You ask, "Why does the US have the worst record of all countries in combating the Coronavirus?"

My entire post answered your question. The democrats have an agenda. They want a bad record of combating the virus.

6. B Noles
     (7/2/2020 11:05:25 PM)
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Our country has been through a similar pandemic and survived without having to shut down the economy.

The claim: During the 1968 flu pandemic, no businesses were ordered to close and large events such as Woodstock were still able to be held.
A post by the American Institute for Economic Research claims businesses were still operating during the 1968 flu and that large events such as the Woodstock music festival took place, with over 60,000 people in attendance.
“Nothing closed. Schools stayed open. All businesses did too” the post reads. “You could go to the movies. You could go to bars and restaurants.” The post goes on to say that stock markets did not crash, no stay-at-home orders were enforced and no legislation was passed in Congress

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/12/fact-check-did-woodstock-take-place-middle-pandemic/3094481001/

7. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (7/2/2020 11:46:30 PM)
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While I voted to "Adhere to the CDC Guidelines ...", there are also several other things that if done will greatly help in getting the economy to recover.

The most important of those several others is to get rid of that incompetent moron in the White House come November 3rd. Along with accomplishing that (if it happens) we'll also get rid of all the incompetent flunkies he's brought to the White House w/ him and can begin to return the country back to some semblance of a competent government by reversing the swamp drainage he began.

And yes, there are several things that NEED to be drained amongst the Federal Government (i.e. Congress via Term Limits, the Passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment, amongst others), and if done PROPERLY will indeed benefit "We, The People" and the country as a whole.

8. T Cavanagh CEOExpressSelect Member
     (7/3/2020 6:41:06 AM)
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It sounds like another Trump bash

South Korea has 25,000 tests per million, US now at 107,000 per million, 35,539,179, total

Which throws that theory out the window. There is no other nation that enjoys the freedoms we have in the US. Does Patricia believe people in South Korea would be allowed to riot in the streets during a pandemic?

Economy: the fundamentals have not changed, the recovery has already begun despite all the naysayers, unfortunately it will be years for many small businesses, especially minority ones which will not come back without specific targeted Federal fiscal help, but I am confident this President can get there as he is focused on the people, we lost over 40% of minority businesses, and many were burned and looted in the madness of “peaceful” protests

The other guy?

Nope

Speaking of the other guy. In the past 40 years, only two candidates who LOST the NH Primary have gone on to win the general, Clinton got beat by Paul Tsongas, and Obama got beat by Hillary, both squeakers, statistical toss ups, but here’s da ting, those people were unknowns, other than Hillarybeans

They ALL know who JOE BIDEN is, how can’t you? He had such a poor showing he should have quit

The NH Primary is unique, it’s an open Primary, which means you can declare either party and vote, and unlike Iowa it’s a ballot Primary

Mr. Biden finished 5th with less than 25,000 votes. Bernie and Butterjudge both pulled in over 70, or three times as many votes as Two Fingers Joe

Meanwhile Trump broke an incumbent record with over 87% of the vote, about 130,000 votes

Seems to me Lazy Joe is an afterthought, I’m not even sure how he got here other than the fact the DNC and the media were in cahoots

Beware of the angry Bernie Bro’s, Crazy Joe isn’t exactly trying to make peace with them folk

The economy will continue to go straight up. Unemployment will soon reach Obamanomics levels and continue lower. The next Coron Stimulus must be targeted at small business especially urban minority ones, that took a double blow with the rioters

Testing will double in 30 days, more and more positives will be recorded. Fauci is correct, we will easily surpass 100k per day, but the data is panic driven and far from telling an accurate story

How many people will fall ill for a couple days and how many will be hospitalized in a battle for life?

The data driven by “experts” and media will not tell you that, instead we have very vague gobble gook.

And here it is, when do I get my vaccine? We’re on a positive track to sooner than later, never underestimate the free market, and this particular market is a whopper

Trump tweaked the US economy, that was all that was needed after 16 years of war and the malaise of Liberal policies, he even brought the majority of states from deficits to surpluses. Remarkable

The biggest tell is the stock market, it always looks forward and is made up of all kinds of investors, I’d never be this confident if the market was bouncing around the bottom, it’s not

But here’s da ting, $23 trillion is $23 trillion, and it will get spent somewhere, other businesses will fill the void, it all depends on who navigates this systemic change best, think Netflix, a small competitor to Blockbuster

So just when we thought the Trump bash couldn’t get any worst, name calling, mudslinging, down right nasty, Patricia comes up with an even better one........

Happy Friday!

Message edited by user at 7/3/2020 7:10:07 AM

9. T Cavanagh CEOExpressSelect Member
     (7/3/2020 6:42:25 AM)
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I don’t vote, it’s stupid

This ain’t no “poll”

And once again you aren’t dealing with realities, term limits? Balanced budget?

Incompetent? Who the heck does a press conference with teleprompters?

And still struggles with the language?

Message edited by user at 7/3/2020 6:45:40 AM

10. T Cavanagh CEOExpressSelect Member
     (7/3/2020 7:14:34 AM)
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And here’s the funny part, before Corona Biden had nothing to say on the economy

Suddenly he’s an expert! And claims 40 million lost jobs is all Trumps fault

What don’t shut down the economy and don’t sent anyone home? What are you saying Joe?
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