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How good are you at discerning the news — real vs fake?

Good - I have a gift
Neutral - sometimes I fall for a well-crafted story
Poor - I believe what I read
Neither - I trust my sources
Something else - tell us how you do it

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1. Patricia Pomerleau CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (12/18/2016 12:05:56 AM)
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Can you tell truth from fiction when you read it online? So far, we see broadcast and print media as a little easier (National Enquirer notwithstanding), generally because the fraudsters don't have the resources to appear legitimate, but that may change ...

MarketWatch, a publication of the Wall Street Journal, noted that 2016 was the year that "fake news went mainstream."

... the top-performing fake election news stories in the final three months of the presidential campaign generated more engagement than the top stories from major news outlets like the New York Times and the Washington Post.
We had to chuckle when MW cited 'BuzzFeed' as their source, but that made us wonder how good we really are when we sit down and sort out.
  • Do you trust yourself or your source?

  • Back in Journalism 101, we learned there were distinct sections of a print newspaper: news, feature, opinion ... among others. Is that still true, or have the lines blurred?

  • Do you check yourself to see if a story passes the 'giggle test?' In other words, does it seem plausible ... make sense ... add up?

  • Schools rarely teach analytical thinking, and newspapers rarely practice investigative reporting. Do these gaps trouble you?

  • If someone believes and acts on information in a fake news article, who should be responsible for the outcome — the writer or the reader?

  • Could solutions be found without trammeling upon the First Amendment? What?

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2. Jeffrey Boire CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/26/2016 12:18:30 AM)
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I think it is a way for a reason. Many boomers are glued to news sources and some of them are thinking we are not in okay shape.

I know a few that passed away with a horrible feeling about America.

I am just not sure what 'is' and isn't true anymore. It is frustrating and curious at the same time but you raise a very valid question and I am curious what other mature and responsible minds are thinking on the topic.

3. Scott Walker
     (12/26/2016 1:15:33 AM)
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All news today is to be questioned until verified by your own research; news from ABC,CNN,MSNBC, CBS usually skips the real story and tells only part of the message or not at all. The working person that just gets their news only at the 6pm news show is fooled many times with fake news. It's best to take the message and substantiate it.

4. Jeffrey Boire CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/26/2016 6:04:05 AM)
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A little local news helps me have a little tiny bit of faith in the PRESS card in the Fedora...

5. Noel Meyer
     (12/26/2016 6:38:52 AM)
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How good are you at discerning the news — real vs fake?

1. I go back to the "BIG LIE" - The Orson Wells radio show (even with disclaimers) on Mars invading Earth. or The Dubya Bush/Darth Cheney Big Lie on Iraq having weapons, even nuclear weapons of mass destruction.

The Big Lie, whether the moon landing some still say was staged or wars, or even scandals, those are tricky. the SMALL LIES, the half-truth stories or better yet, the stories you hear about early before the facts are in and then NEVER, NEVER, NEVER hear about again, those are the ones that get you.

2. 2016 was full of lies and FALSE NEWS, Trump never backed down, but DOUBLED DOWN on the Muslims cheering as the towers fell on 9-11. Trump even held his ground about 3 million illegal voters who voted for Hillary.

Trump, Rudy Guiliani, KellyAnne, and host of other surrogates, yelled and screamed how TRUMP's OWN WORDS were taken out of context, yet they were his words, word for word. Some on this forum say, "Nobody takes Trump at his word", yet politics, like the law, is about choosing your words CAREFULLY, and COMMUNICATING CLEARLY to avoid mis-understandings, something the Trumpenator and his team have failed to learn.

Imagine a Deplorable shooting up a pizza parlor in Washington, D.C. because a fake news story had Hillary running a child sex shop from such a location.

3. Remember Malaysian Flight 380, the missing flight. How do you know it really happened? Some pieces of wreckage, that's it. NOBODY took responsibility for that.

Remember Sandy Hook? A long-time member on this forum claimed it never happened and demanded proof that it had. Crazy? Clever?

Putin and the Russians had the same strategy. Communist China, North Korea, North Vietnamese. All of them spent so much time challenging the West's facts and understanding of any event, that the definition of what "IS" really was soon took over the focus of the negotiations.

4. Remember Dubya and Darth Cheney? They kept repeating the same big lie over and over and over and they and their supporters used the same ten words to state that lie.

Now we have Trump and his delusionals. They simply tell the lie, the submit the fake news story and even in the face of facts, simply ignore those facts and everything else but the delusional fake news story.

So many lies.

So many liars.

Such insistence that the lies are real, not because they could or could not be, but because their sources are better than the lying sources their critics use............ on and on, both sides together.

Russian, Cuban, North Korean, Chinese state news papers all use the same strategy. PROPOGANDA, Their people read it, swallow it hook, line and sinker.

Looks like at least HALF of Americans have done the same with what their political leadership lies or fake news their followers, especially on TWITTER.

6. Victor Lee
     (12/26/2016 6:46:26 AM)
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When I was a Reserve Deputy Sheriff in San Diego, my physics students would say, "We saw you on TV, Vic."

They were speaking of rescues we did as deputy sheriffs when I was a graduate student and got called out to the field.

Invariably the news stories were wrong in many ways and details. The camera crews shot and ran off to the next assignment (traffic, you know...), leaving the stories to be made up in the studio for broadcast. The pressure was on for all channels to have the news and to be FIRST. Any old story would do. No one ever checked the details. The news was merely junk food edible. Eat it now. What's next? Chomp!

Truth. Truthiness. Yumminess was what counted.

7. Noel Meyer
     (12/26/2016 6:51:14 AM)
     Message ID #277520

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Deaf since birth, AND a Reserve Deputy Sheriff in San Diego?

I realize that law enforcement has to accommodate for the needs of the deaf citizens they come in contact with but would think that a 'deaf officer' would be a handicap in the field departments would not want to possess.

Fake News? who can tell?

8. Victor Lee
     (12/26/2016 7:06:46 AM)
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Yup. I was a rock climber from Berkeley back then (Yosemite Valley was a few hours drive away) and San Diego's Search and Rescue was geared for deserts. Besides, who talks to rocks? Lip reading sufficed and I did the stentorian shouting like, "Hey! These ropes are worn (noticed the morning after a night climb by searchlights a good part of a mile away. Vehicles couldn't get closer.) have Aero Squad drop better ones!"

Ever been away from a keyboard, Noel?

9. D Robb
     (12/26/2016 7:08:25 AM)
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It begins and ends with the individual. Our local library has a news discussion group. There is no disagreement with the news. The disagreement comes with the meaning of the news. Even on this forum you had someone deny that the Sandy Hook massacre happened. No one disagrees that the US allowed the Security Council vote on the UN to occur, but Netanyahu accused the US of writing and pushing resolution. Not true. People conveniently forget history and deny the news they don’t want to believe in a desperate struggle to believe what they believe is true. There is a war on Christmas. trump won the popular vote. President Obama wasn’t born in the US and is a Muslim.

10. D Robb
     (12/26/2016 7:15:36 AM)
     Message ID #277523

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