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What is your opinion of the electoral college?

It is an outdated system and should be elliminated--popular vote should rule
It plays an important role in balancing power of the states
I have a different plan



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1. Patricia Pomerleau CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (11/21/2016 7:51:55 AM)
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Recently, elections have been won in the electoral college, but lost in the popular vote. Depending on which side wins, the electoral college is either a bane or a great construct. Once again a national discussion of the merits and deficits of the electoral college has come to the fore.


Arguments for the Electoral College

  • Certainty of Results
  • Discourages 3rd Parties
  • Precludes Possibility of National Re-Count of Votes
  • Keeps States as Integral Part of Presidential Selection
  • Keeps Small States as Viable Participants
  • Establishes Campaign Need to Build "Concurrent Majorities"
  • Provides Chosen Candidate with a Majority



Arguments Against the Electoral College

  • Can Distort the Popular Choice
  • Discourages 3rd Parties
  • Disenfranchises Voters in States Which Support Electoral College Loser
  • Allows for the "Faithless Elector"
  • Can Allow Presidential Election to be Decided by the House of Representatives Where Each States Has One Vote
  • It Is Archaic - Based on Political Considerations No Longer Relevant


Two states apportion electoral votes based on the popular vote--a construct that could create a more balanced election if all states changed their rules from "winner takes all"

There are strong arguments on both sides of this issue. What is your view of the electoral college?

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2. Jeffrey Boire CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/21/2016 8:10:44 AM)
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I prefer large population states to submit to the EC and that more population is no guarantee of unreasonable control.

3. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/21/2016 8:23:45 AM)
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Without the electoral college, Americans living on 80% of Americas land area with be entirely misrepresented.

Since the vast majority of America's productive citizens live outside the cities... the nation would not survive without it.

4. D Robb
     (11/21/2016 8:44:42 AM)
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I have written before on this forum that while I admire our Founding Fathers I think they made a terrible mistake creating a King President. The parliamentary system where voters vote for the party they believe best represents their goals and vision is, in my opinion, a much better system.
I would further advocate that Representatives be elected by the total popular vote from a state rather than from Gerrymandered districts. If a state is entitled to 10 representatives the seats would be allocated to the top ten candidates based on the votes they received.
I reject the defense of the electoral college that supports it because without it the States with the largest populations would dominate those that have more cows than people. One person, one vote.

5. Domenick Aulozzi CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/21/2016 9:08:06 AM)
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The electoral college has been miss-characterized as somehow unfair because people deliberately talk about the popular vote of the county as a whole as if that means anything.

We are the "United States" of America. We select our national president by states, not as a whole, so the national popular vote is irrelevant and to use it for a point of argument deliberately confuses the issue.

Without the electoral college the election would be unfairly decided by those states with the largest populations; leaving the smaller states powerless and disenfranchised from the process.

Apportioning electors by percentage does the same thing at a state level. It unfairly subjects the rural populations to the massive urban populations.

Although Wisconsin does not apportion electors in this manner, Wisconsin election laws are a good example of how rural populations are disenfranchised by large urban areas with early voting.

Milwaukee and Madison (heavily democrat) can afford to keep their polling places open longer and at odd times so their voters have better access to polls and voting that the rest of the state does not have access to. Somehow this is considered fair. The results of apportioning electors by popular vote would have the same result. Giving extra weight to the urban population areas that have a greater access to vote and higher percentage of voters.

Message edited by user at 11/21/2016 9:09:05 AM

6. Gary Patishnock CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/21/2016 9:14:39 AM)
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Perhaps the "tweak" is to have two at-large Electors plus one Elector voting by Congressional district outcome. Might make the gerrymandering all the more interesting...

7. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/21/2016 9:26:26 AM)
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I agree. We need to stand up for the voting rights of our Cow-American friends.

Message edited by user at 11/21/2016 9:29:23 AM

8. GAN BN CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/21/2016 9:38:06 AM)
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The progressive liberals are clearly what's wrong with our country.

Nothing says “democracy” like threatening to murder people for democratically-electing a President.

Threats of murder are real for some of the Electors.

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2016/11/electoral-college-threats-murder-trump/

9. Patricia Pomerleau CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (11/21/2016 9:45:13 AM)
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Nice source. speaks volumes.


check out your boy. I can see why you quoted him. LOL.

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-america-divided/milo-yiannopoulos/

Nothing says democracy like a Nazi alt-right source.

10. TCB Nough
     (11/21/2016 9:51:17 AM)
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It is proven the Framers were right. The Electoral College assures that concentrated population centers do not unduly or unfairly influence our way of governing. The Federalism described in the founding documents is protected in this way. We have a Republic, not a popular democracy. These elections are 50 individual statewide races, not a national popularity contest.
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