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At this point in the campaign is Obama's race a factor?

Yes, a positive factor
Yes, a negative factor
No, race has become neutral
I don't know




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1. Patricia Pomerleau CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (10/9/08 4:05:25 PM)
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Obama is ahead in most polls, but some are still concered about the "Bradley Effect" where voters tell polsters what they think is politically correct, but vote differently in the booth.

  • Do you think that that race will be a factor in the election?
  • If so, positive or negative for Obama?

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2. Polly Jones
     (10/9/08 4:13:07 PM)
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I voted neutral, but feel that for some, race is or will become an issue. It certainly should not. I'll never vote for a candidate because of their race or gender --- that would be wasting a vote. Hopefully, the rest of the registered voters agree with me. I suspect the otherwise, and hope that the facts so easily available along with (unfortunately) the inaccurate thoughts will lead many to check, read, think. It's both easy and difficult to sort at times.

3. Victor Lee
     (10/9/08 4:21:17 PM)
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Psychologists have demonstrated that identification is a very powerful mechanism. It's why birds of a feather..., -- rather than going with other birds with whom they might very well mate and bear progeny.

If my memory serves me, I recall that it takes on the order of perhaps, say, 50 times longer for a non-identified-with person to become acceptable to a person as opposed to an identified person.

Since I have slanted eyes, I discovered the interesting ruse of dark glasses. I can walk anywhere with lubricated acceptance and receive no askance, seemingly as if I owned the place when I wear dark glasses.

Awareness of this mechanism of identification allows us of higher awareness and learning to focus on character instead of appearances.

Too, a flawless delivery of English, completely unaccented and of upper class vocabulary and diction opens doors with liquid ease.

Is Obama's race a factor? Most certainly. Can the problem be addressed? It can, with awareness and education.

It is a timely lesson for mankind to learn, the lesson not to disparage another based on appearances and culture. How much better is understanding another person's culture than merely discriminating against him as a stopgap.

We are but an advanced species of ape. Sometimes I'm not sure about the "advanced."

4. Laurence Socci
     (10/9/08 4:22:14 PM)
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I don't think it ever should have been a factor, although I know many people made it a factor. Interestingly, if a White person refuses to vote for Obama because he is Black, that person is labeled a racist. If a Black person chooses to vote for Obama solely because he is Black, that person is showing his "Black pride".
For me, Obama's lack of executive experience is more of a factor.

5. SAMUEL G BOGORAD CEOExpressSelect Member
     (10/9/08 4:34:32 PM)
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Barack Obama 'pseudo controversies' hide racism, news anchor says
Ray Suarez, a PBS correspondent, says those who continue to spread the false rumor Barack Obama is a Muslim are hiding other fears.

GRAND RAPIDS -- Following an unpopular president, supporting a costly war, and now facing a financial crisis at home, Sen. John McCain's race for the presidency should be in worse shape.

"What makes John McCain plausible is Barack Obama," news anchor Ray Suarez told a local crowd Wednesday.

The "pseudo controversies" about Obama's background are symbols for a "racial calculus" hard at work in U.S. politics.

Opinions about Obama's inexperience, his childhood in Indonesia, and the persistent but untrue rumors of him being Muslim are stand-ins for something his detractors cannot admit, Suarez said.

Particularly, "religion has become a proxy for race," he said.

Characterizing Obama as Muslim "is a way to confer otherness on him for those people who are uncomfortable saying they're against him because he's black."

Suarez spoke at Fountain Street Church as part of the Diversity lecture series. He is the senior correspondent for PBS's "News Hour with Jim Lehrer" and former host of NPR's "Talk of the Nation" program.

Suarez said Republicans are leaving it to vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin to "pile on the doubt" about Obama's religion.
http://www.mlive.com/grpress/news/index.ssf/2008/10/barack_obama_pseudo_controvers.html

6. Nancie Smith CEOExpressSelect Member
     (10/9/08 4:40:16 PM)
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I think that race, along with experience (or the lack thereof) has become much less of a mainstream issue or negative. Of course there will always be the racists among us living in their own private Hell longing for a homogeneous caste society instead of a rich and diverse culture. There will always be meaningless disdain by small-brained reactionaries lacking intellectual curiosity for people not "like them".

I know that Obama's mixed race is a huge positive with many voters and I think that may have been underestimated thus far. We will never know.

I wish race was neutral in politics and other aspects of our lives but I believe that it is far from neutral in either.

7. Nancie Smith CEOExpressSelect Member
     (10/9/08 4:42:00 PM)
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Laurence, please cite the source for your data regarding labels and demonstrations of racial pride. I would like to review that study.

8. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (10/9/08 4:43:27 PM)
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Gee, I didn't even know he ran one. How far was it? Did he win? He probably did pretty well considering that he's black and all.

9. Laurence Socci
     (10/9/08 4:51:01 PM)
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There appears to be very little hard data on the subject, but here is an article that somewhat talks about the issue:


http://www.america.gov/st/elections08-english/2008/June/200806301621521xeneerg0.7737543.html

10. Victor Lee
     (10/9/08 5:05:50 PM)
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We have heard all sorts of apocryphal stories of backwoods folk for whom inbreeding is like Wheaties in the morning. It is well known that inbreeding is genetically dangerous because recessive genes, usually splinted by dominant genes can become elaborated into realized harmful traits.

There is, however, the obverse effect, hybrid vigor. Sometimes exceptionally well tuned outcomes can come from hybridization. Could it be that Tiger Wood's fantastic performances are enriched with just a dash of the exceptional physiologically? The man is dedicated to his sport beyond belief and is an incredible icon. His mother is Thai, his father was black among other genetic backgrounds.

We do know that genetics plays a large part in physical and mental performances that the fact is politically incorrect to mention.

In short, Obama is likely to be of vastly superior genetics than that of the backward sixpacks who oppose him on racial grounds. Imagine Cromagnons urking at H. Sapiens while slobbering their six packs.
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